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  MSNBC    Countdown With Keith Olbermann    News/Business.  (2010)  

    September 9, 2010
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which of these stories will you be talking about tomorrow? it's not that difficult, koran burnling, for, against, no thoughts. 5:15 p.m., koran burning is insensitive, unnecessary, pastor jones, please stand down. the governor of michigan. >> i don't think there's an excuse for it. >> defense secretary gates endorses the warning about the threats to u.s. warnings. >> i worry it will turn into violence against our troops in iraq, afghanistan, other places as well. >> the man at the center of the
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hateful exercise. >> we have no intention of cancelling. >> the counterbalance, the memphis congregation which has loaned it to worshippers building an islamic center, literally, next door. our special guests in their first joint interview, pastor steve jones. presidential punch -- >> if we're going to give tax breaks to companies, let it go to companies that create jobs here in america. not -- that's what this election is all about. >> all politics local. also, a lot of stupidity is local. a would-be republican congressman from ohio insists, hands off state's civil rights. >> we need to get our federal government out of the way. we need to allow our local governments to become more involved. scooter libby is back.
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>> i learned two things from this. one is the world is not just. and the second is, it doesn't do any good to lie. >> and yet, lying he did. >> and the quote of the year, perhaps. from senator ensign of nevada. if you hold us accountable, we'll do some real bad things in washington, d.c. uh, do? all of the news and commentary now on "countdown". >> i will not be taking any questions. good evening from new york. two days and 22 hours until a florida church consisteing of 5 members is going to burn one book, the koran. the impact, however, has been questioned and challenged not for reasons for political correctness as much of those apply as well but for the fact it will hand the taliban and al
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qaeda a propaganda tool to kill u.s. troops in the violence of islamic terrorism. the alarms sounding, leaders of all major faiths, u.s. government, military, and nato. with our story tonight, a happenedful of new exceptions, the leadership of the republican party today has no position on a religious-based book burning that would endanger the lives of troops. some of us who do have an opinion says building a core rap is just as bad as building an islamic center. he found it inexplicable that they would put the troops in great danger. burning the koran would hurt the u.s. forever. >> our concern is such an act would jeopardize is safety of our soldiers and civilians, even our afghan partners because it's the police and soldiers of the afghan forces who would have to
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confront the kind of demonstrations that were afraid would erupt in the wake of such an action. we're concerned that the images from the burning of a koran would be used in the same way that extremists used images from abu ghraib, that they would be indelible. they would be in cyberspace forever, they would be nonbiodegradable. and they would be used by those who wish us ill to incite violence and inflame public opinion against us and against our mission here in afghanistan as well as our missions around the world. >> the former u.s. commander in iraq echoed petraeus' concerns today. >> most muslims are moderate. but you have extremists. this feeds into what they want. they feed off of hate and fear. and they'll use this to generate more hate.
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and what that will turn into is potentially more violence against u.s. troops. >> there are 50 members of this church. i hate to say if we weren't paying them attention, this might occur in a vacuum. in the day and age of the internet, will the images make way to the streets in the muslim world? oh. >> they will. >> what will the result be? >> there will be some backlash. you started to see some already. i'm worried it will turn to violence against our troops in iraq, afghanistan, other places as well. >> condemning the koran burning, the head of nato training in afghanistan, the head of the u.n. mission in afghanistan, u.s. secretary gates, secretary clinton, axle rohde, mayor bloomberg, senator lieberman, and the family members of those who died on 9/11 calling the koran burning an insult to 9/11 and the braise individuals who have come out in defense of our
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nation. former and likely future presidential hopeful mitt romney said it best -- "burning the koran is wrong, it puts troops in danger and violates a principal of our republic." hailey barber came close when he was asked about it. >> i do not think the idea of burning anybody's koran or bible or anything else. >> senator lindsey graham with the countdown's request for a statement. i very much share general petraeus' concern about how much acts could further jeopardize the safety of our soldiers. we should not make our soldiers' job even harder or their support dangerous. john boehner called the koran burning not wise, but quoted one scripture with the building of a religious center. >> general petraeus has spoken out against it, secretary
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clinton spoke out against it. what is your statement? >> to pastor jones and those who want to build a mosque, just because you have the right to do something in america does not mean it's the right thing to do. we're a nation of religious freedom and tolerance. and i think in the name of tolerance, people ought to really think about the kind of actions they're taking. >> so you're telling him not to do it? sir, are you telling him not to do it? >> well, listen, i just think that it's not wise to do this in the face of what our country really represents. and over some 200 years. sarah palin's people gave us a no comment in the reply to a request. someone reconsidered. because at 5:15, the facebook page said it's insensitive and unnecessary provocation much like, wait for it, building a
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mosque at ground zero. petraeus, bush has positive leadership on this subject declined on our request for information yesterday. newt gingrich told us, we pass, thanks. senator arm service members, sessions and collins, keep america safe founder liz cheney who does not mention the danger petraeus identified and john mccain are now on record against the koran burning who demanded we listen to general petraeus who had the integrity to say, no, ma'am, barack obama is not an arab. very little that's gotten its attention. the heart song church in tennessee opened the doors to the faithful islamic center. a sense of community that offers a different version and vision of america. thanks to steve stone and the chairman of the memphis islamic
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center. they join us in the first joint interview. thank you for doing so. >> my pleasure. >> thank you. >> i want to get to the threatened koran burning in the islamic center and all that, but your experience seemed instructive. let's start with this. you started this up when you put the sign up in your church, is that correct? >> yes, about a year and a half ago. we read in the newspaper that this islamic center had bought the land adjacent to us and as faa as we could get up a sign, we put up a big red sign that said welcome to the neighborhood, memphis' islamic center. >> how did you feel about the sign? what was your reaction? oh. >> it was overwhelming. you couldn't miss the sign. gave a lot of joy, a lot of comfort. and told us we have neighbors that are welcoming us. what followed the sign was even larger and more gracious and the
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actions of the heartsong church. >> that was to let you basically use the hall, correct? >> absolutely. >> so what has your experience been like in memphis, especially since this controversy has been whipped up over an islamic center in downtown manhattan a couple of blocks from ground zero? oh. >> i've been in memphis for over 20 years. memphis is the community of faith. we have interfaith relationships. in this month in ramadan, we had an interfaith dinner event that there was over 450 people from different faiths that shared together. the positives overwhelmed the negatives. we had a lot of neighbors in our community. >> pastor stone, this pastor jones in florida says he feels he needs to take a stand against radical islam and whatever he believes in, the god he believes
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in does not have a problem so far with burning the koran. if you simply disagree on christian teaching about this, how do you reach this man. >> i'm not sure how you reach him. the way we try to reach everyone is just having a loving witness to them. i heard them on the station about radical islamists that these are people you cannot reason with. i thought it was the pot calling the kettle black. >> beautifully summarized. i know you have not followed that story in florida. but the associated press reported that in afghanistan, some muslims are upset about this. and because they seem to believe that, one, the president would have the power to stop it and, two, because he's not going to stop it, the koran burning reflects some sort of official american sentiment. apart from the issue in florida, how would you convey to muslims in the mideast or afghanistan that our government permits
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things to happen even if it disagrees with those things. >> keith, if you don't live freedom, it's hard to fathom what freedom means. that's part of the problem with communicating to those who do not enjoy what we have. and to me, what it really means for us here in the united states is for us to really understand what this freedom means, how much of a privilege this is, but the responsibility that comes with that privilege and how we are responsible for those who defend our rights to have these freedoms. >> given your assessment of that, in a broader sense, how do you think america should sell itself, potentially, to muslims in the many mideast as a society where muslims are free to exercise their rights, not because they're muslims or not muslims, but because everybody is free to express their rightings. >> i think i would share positive stories like what we're doing here tonight to show that people have the choice and the
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freedom to do good and the freedom to choose not to do good if they want to. >> pastor stone, can you assess for us this equivalence that john boehner and sarah palin have drawn between burning a koran and building an islamic center? to me it's just that the people across the street from us are muslims? and jesus has taught us to love our neighbor and they're our neighbors. we're loving them and they're loving us back. i don't see any comparison. >> dr. shaw, since you mentioned the story like this is a good message to people about what this is really about. is there anything you want to add to our understanding of what's going on in memphis or in this larger picture that's suddenly come upon us in this country? >> i would just love to see more of the heartsong-memphis islamic center across the nation.
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i believe the stories do exist. i would like to express my gratitude to pastor stone and his flocks for the welcoming they've shown us. >> thank you. pastor stone, your thoughts to have on this? >> it's just been our honor to host our neighbors and we're enjoying getting to know them. >> pastor steve of the heartsong church, many thanks, a not just for the interview. >> thank you. domestic politics, can, as you know, turn on a dime. get out your role of dimes. the lead among registered voters contemplating the registered vote completely erased in one week.
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ten-point poll leader vanish in one week. the would-be junior most member. he thinks civil rights should be left to the states. supposedly this senator meant all the elected officials.
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not just his libido who said, quote, if you don't hold us accountable, we'll do real bad things in washington, d.c. scooter libby is back. 75% more self-martyr dom ahead on "countdown."
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just 55 days until the 2010 term elections. but 300 since john boehner started whining about president obama. the president fully responded for the first time today and boehner has a glass jaw and a proclivity for as he goes down, hitting himself in the nose. the president not only refused to compromise, he dared john of orange and fellow republicans to
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insist on the tax breaks. that's part of mr. boehner's two-step plan to create jobs unveiled today. the gallup poll gave the republicans an unprecedented ten-point edge and reverted back to be zero. the party is dead even in a week. the president gave another major speech depicting the stark political and policy choice for november. in cleveland, the president offered tax breaks for businesses but offered no compromise on allowing bush tax cuts to expire for the wealthiest americans. >> with all of the republicans' talk about wanting to shrink the deficit, they would have us borrow $700 billion over the next ten years to give a tax cut of about $100,000 each to folks who are already millionaires. so, let me be clear to mr. boehner and everybody else -- we should not hold middle class tax
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cuts hostage any listeninger. we are ready this week if they want, to give tax cuts to every american making $250,000 or less. that's 98% -- 97% of americans. >> the president correctly noted that the republicans are blocking ideas that they would normally support, including a small business package that is stall in the senate. >> they're making the same calculation they made just before my inauguration. if i fail, they win. well, they might think that this will give them to where they want to go in november, but it won't get our country on where it needs to go in the long run. it won't get us there. it won't get us there. >> mr. boehner fired the opening salvo with the release of the republicans' two-step plan on
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jobs and spending. two-step it is. number one, cut nonsecurity related spending to 2008 levels with some exceptions. two, freeze all current tax rates for two years, that would include, yep, the bush tax cuts for the rich. >> why wouldn't we work together to make it clear that all current tax rates will be extended for the next two years. >> so you're open -- >> so what that will do is help small businesses who have no clue what the coming tax rates are going to be, gives them some certainty. >> the latest on the polls that are predicting doom for the democrats. the gallup survey of registered voters on party prevention for the midterm elections. last week, it measured the largest republican advantage of 68 years. after five weeks of the republicans in the lead, it's back to even. the lead has switched between the two parties more than half a dozen times since may. let's turn to the co-founder and
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editor in chief of the huffington post. arianna huffington released to america, how we're abandoning the middle class and betraying the american dream. good to see you? >> drawing the tax breaks on the wealthy. is there something else. he went to use his phrase, fired up. >> i wish he had been as fired up for the last 20 months that he was today. the best speech we've gotten from him since he's been in the white house. there is no question that he drew a clear line in the sand. there's really like a -- a mote that he filled with crocodiles. no doubt about it. he made it clear that there's a lot of hypocrisy going on among the republican deficit hawks who are willing to expand our deficit to a $700 billion in the
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next ten years. and they keep using this kenard about how it's going to be good for jobs when, in fact, all he's asking is we put the tax brackets back to where it was in the clinton years where it didn't stop us from creating 22 million jobs. that was a good day. as you know, one speech does not change the narrative. >> so if he's going to change the narrative and it is a contrast and stark and fired up as that one was, what other areas to mine? >> he needs to keep making it clear that he is for the middle class. and the republicans are not. and that being for the middle class is not a left wing -- left wing issue. this is really the foundation of america. you spent a whole year writing this book on the assault on the middle class. and making it clear that nobody, not even the super rich that john boehner supports would want to live in a country that is really a third-world country when the middle class scrambles
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and would have them behind everybody else and the security guards against kidnapping. that's not america, that's not the upward mobility, the american dream. remember, in the campaign, obama said the middle class was the essence of his campaign. >> how did the populous premise get taken by the tea party and what do the democrats do to get it back by the midterms. >> there's something leghlegiti. there was legitimate anger. the bailouts, wall street being bailed out and main street suffering that democrats and republicans are all responsible for allowing that to happen. it goes easier for those who are not in charge and not in control of the white house, the house, and the senate to be the beneficiaries of that legitimate anger. then the demagogues came in and
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turned to the illegitimate parts of what they were offering. the anti-immigration sentiment and basically opposing everything except those who want tax cuts. but there's still time to change things. i don't know there's time to change the outcome for november because those cards were dealt a long time ago. but they're starting to change what the country really believes. >> well, if since may as we pointed out that generic house party identification number changed six times from going to a record ten-point margin last week put republicans to a tie this week, this may be much more in flux than people are being led to believe. >> the key here is we're talking about registered voters. midterm elections are going to be about likely voters. who is going to turn out? is it going to be the hyper, enthusiastic republicans? or is more disappointed and frustrated democrats? and that's -- that's really the
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dynamic that the president had an opportunity to change. >> and if he doesn't? oh. >> if he doesn't, we're going to have no prosper -- >> arianna huffing ton, the authority of the book by the same name. just when you thought it couldn't get dumber, a republican candidate is suggesting states should trump federal law on civil rightings. sure, because that worked so well during jim crow. you go next if you had a hoveround power chair? the statue of liberty? the grand canyon? it's all possible with a hoveround. tom: hi i'm tom kruse, inventor and founder of hoveround.
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civil rights or state's
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rights says a wouldbe republican congressman. not in 1957, now. first the break promo of the day on late night with david letterman tonight. two seconds. julianna margulies is the guest. paul schaffer conducts the orchestra. the report -- bad news for the koran-burning dude in florida. it's available on kindle. and somewhere, pastor jones just looked up and say, "somebody say kindling"? let's play "oddball". we begin in england with the people around the globe gather to ride old timy bikes. they have machines and bone shakers and bikes with big wheels on them. and something from that patrick leguen series.
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they complete as many laps as they can in three hours but after some controversy when today's winner tested positive for stilts. look, it's honoring the prime minister is like climbing a greasy pole. no? would you believe it's the last day of the chinese ghost month. organizers coasted 12 poles with 250 gallons of whale grease after making it rain on the pole, they were off. there was much rejoicinrejoicin. most formed human ladders but eventually there was a winner of a $939 prize which will not cover his dry cleaning bill or get him elected prime minister. the internet and a dancing ken doll. they finally developed a scientifically proven dance moves for men. take notes. this is the example of poor
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dancing. i'm looking for my keys. that doesn't look so bad. example of good dancing. good dancing. they studied dancers from the ' 0s disco. no funky chicken. but if that's what researchers work, who am i to question. who better to show people how to dance than scientists. so the next time you see someone on the dance floor doing the running man, he's not dancing harder, he's dancing smarter. governor orville falbus of little rock infamy is smiling. a candidate for congress in ohio insists civil rights should be left to the states to figure out -- next.
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it was the federal government which enforced desegregation in our schools which passed sweeping civil rights legislation which has helped chip away at what martin luther king called the air-tight cage of poverty in the midst of an affluent society. the 16th congressional district tells an african-american owner
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that implementing civil rights and diversity is not the president's job, but local government's. so public it turned out that even his opponent, democratic congressman john boccieri showed up. the night's most important exchange came not from renaci and bocceri. he lives in can on the's inner city and is deeply concerned about the issues plaguing his african-american community. he told him, we're suffering out here. progress.org captured what followed.
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not satisfied with his response, he challenged him. if it wasn't for the federal government, we wouldn't have civil rights, he said.
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>> you're talking about the past, i agree with you. >> are you saying that 2010 we live in a society that doesn't have still these walls out there? >> no, i'm saying in 2010, we have issues that we need to bring back to the local -- >> time-out to call on political analyst "washington post" political columnist, eugene robinson. >> good evening. >> good evening, keith. >> he's clearly been told -- campaign against the federal government no matter what you can or how often or hows a is a nine you can when you apply the argument like civil rights, you're still going to do it. it's as stupid as saying fighting wars should be left to the states. get out of the way of ohio versus iraq. >> figure a way to get ohio to the war since you don't have interstates or driveways. you can't drive there.
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you don't have air traffic controllers, you can't fly there. so you can just kind of hurtle yourself across the border. this is -- this is a ridiculous position taken by a guy -- a candidate who clearly didn't read past the first line of the memo. which the second line said, but don't say anything that stupid. >> mr. renacci's argument that mr. thompson was talking about the past, that his concerns do not apply in 2010, is there a way to, then, try to figure out to explain the number of issues within the african-american community that ranged from the poverty to the way-too-high dropout rate? >> as we herd, he would not try to explain those issues. he didn't want to engage with that at all. but i can, you know, spend all evening telling you how well state's rights worked in the past -- in the '50s and '60s and before. so, i have some experience on the subject. but right now, in virginia,
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there's an attorney general whose first act was to try to order all of the state universities of virginia to rescind or not enforce their policies against discrimination based on sexual -- sexual orientation. that's the first act. so, are there threats to civil rights today? obviously there are. >> to what degree is something like what mr. renacci said? how much is the rhetoric that everything needs to be local? and how much is it that other thing we heard from ken buck in colorado, rand paul in kentucky, this notion that, look, there's no more racism here. what kind of country could have racism and an african-american president? >> there's a lot of that out there. again, i'm not sure that renacci got past the first sentence of the memo. others who did read the whole thing, there seems to be -- i get a lot of this in my e-mail, essentially saying what more do
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you people want? and -- and this idea that we -- we are past that whole issue, the whole issue of race, not just past an era, but the whole issue, the whole question that there's nothing else to talk about is -- is out there and i think being push in a way with the feeling that the first african-american president is ironically, you know, in a weak position to retort. >> but, the -- what more do you people want statement is a tradition as old as this country itself. i mean, that was some version of that was said in some version of e-mail in 1863 and it was said in 1963 and it got a bucketful of republicans elected in 1966. that tradition which seems even new crazy is itself old crazy, isn't it? >> it is old crazy. and, you know, it's -- you know, we've managed to get past it time and again.
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but it is remarkable. i think that in the year 2010, we're still facing the sort of question and this sort of frankly ignorance about the nation's past and about the nation's present. >> fortunately, the ignorance fostered by a bad educational system, that's a local problem. eugene robinson, thank you ka kindly. >> thanks, keith. scooter libby, victim of an unjust world. you know who said that? scooter libby. $225 to hear him talk about patriotism on 9/11. they keep the money? first persons indeed. and meghan mccain why she called her father's running mate sarah palin, the, quote, time bomb, unquote.
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eight days ago, the president addressed the nation declaring the end of combat operations in iraq.
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the forces, he said, would assist the forces, protect the troops, and protect the civilians. nine were wounded when an iraqi opened fire on a base north of baghdad. it was a company commander meeting with iraqi security forces. according to a statement from the u.s. military. the attacker was shot and killed by an american soldier. there's news of a federal appeals court dismissing a lawsuit that sought to deny the cia the right in essence to continue the rendition of the terrorism suspects. for now, the obama administration can still do that. we'll examine that at length tomorrow on countdown. worsts, and john ensign, next. hi, may i help you?
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runners up, sister bendy straws. what are the two waciest snake oil salesmen doing? performing together in public in anchorage to, in palin's words, commemorate 9/11 by getting you to spend $225 for a prime location in their hall in a meet and greet. it's $775 for the cheap sheets. it's for a good cause. according to the hill, there's no indication of where the proceeds could go. palin said the event is held so one could gather with patriots who never forget. at $225, they may never forget the price. mr. and mrs. scam, nice. john ensign in nevada. sleeping with a campaign worker who was the wife of his chief of staff and trying to get them jobs and cash to silence them,
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is investigated by the party to force them to write a letter breaking off the affair and drive them to the fed-ex to make sure they sent it to her. they had to keep a watchful eye on elected officials. to quote him, if you don't hold her accountable, we'll do some real bad things in washington, d.c. senator, you think that particular boat has sailed already. senator john uh-oh -- i may be naughty again, ensign, today's "worst person in the world."
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it takes a profound set of stones to help draw up plans to invade a country that's not attacked us and then blow the cover of a cia agent whose husband dared to point out one of those lies. but in the number one story, lewis-scooter" libby has a larger set of stones that anyone can imagine. he's complaining without any shred of irony that the world is not just. fox news nabbed an interview. monica crowley played the role of sympathetic host. crowley suggesting to libby in the premise of a question that the justice department's investigation of the bush white house meek led to increased american fatalities in iraq. >> i know that you had been working on the iraq surge before this ridiculous, politically motivated case against you derailed your efforts and set back the surge for the programs for years and cost us a lot of lives and times in iraq.
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>> scooter libby couldn't let that go. he admitted the surge took place after he resigned from the white house. on the subject proposed by a nuclear iran. >> do you think, scooter, that the bush administration made a mistake by not taking -- >> what might have been done with the iranian operation, for example. at that point, they were seven years away from a nuclear weapon. as we know, there's a lot going on inside iran. >> if only our government had had a covert operative working on nuclear nonproliferation in iran back then. >> our mission was to make sure that the bad guys did not get nuclear weapons. >> that, of course, is valeri plame, the cia agent whose cover was blown by officials including scooter libby in 2003. one of plame's missions was to
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prevent iran from building nuclear weapons. back to the libby interview. the chief of staff passed on opportunities to bash the current president's foreign policy so crowley turned to the absurd witch hunt about the outing of a cia agent. >> that absurd political witch hunt that you were subjected to in the valerie plame case, the sentence was commuted but you never did get a pardon. are you still hopeful that eventually you might get a pardon? >> i workled 13 years, maybe 12, something like that for national security. i met checks who had their lives suffered under communism, i met kufrds who suffered under saddam husse hussein. i met american families with kids overseas. one is, the world's not just, and the second is it doesn't do a lot of good to lie. >> fine. we'll concede the point.
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if it were a just world, you would go to jail for the felonies you committed. joining me, david korn and columnist for politics daily who is here with us for a nice change. good to see you. >> good to be with you. >> as far as holding the bush administration accountable in the iraq world, in a just world, fill in the bank. >> volunteering in a hospital in baghdad. and dick cheney will be sponsoring 3,000 or so iraqis in the vacation home in jackson hole, wyoming. maybe what happened in a little bit more just world than what we have. >> we have seen other iraq war architects doing a victory dance despite the fact there was no victory. was in a the libby victory lap or the beginning of it? >> scooter libby is not a good poster child for the iraq war. despite what monica crowley tried to do last night.
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>> monica crowley, phd. >> he was found guilty in a courtroom in washington, d.c. i was thereev every single day covering the trial of lying to fbi investigators. this was not a political thing, the fbi guys were damned ticked off because they lied to them when they were given the job of dealing with a very sensitive security leak. and who started that leak? it wasn't the investigation, not the democrats, it was the bush justice department and it was requested by the bush cia. so the whole political thing is really not true. >> there was a great gag done by british comedy troup called "the young ones," totally politically incorrect with self-crucifixion. the other one said i tried this, you can never get the last nail in yourself. it's grow teske and offensive. when you think of scooter libby
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and other folk heroes, is he a martyred republican hero? >> the difference is, i think, oliver north and g. gordon liddy are men of action. g. gordon liddy talked about killing journalists. scooter libby was an armchair warrior. and neoconservatives tend not to make good folk heros. i don't think he'll have thousands of people, millions of people buying his book or listening to a scooter libby talk show. >> the liddy point, he preferred to keep his hand over a flame. >> there's entertainment value to that. >> the first part had a little trouble pointing out it's a good parlor act. so do we have predictions on -- as you said, you were there for every moment of the trial. is there something next for libby? is he going to write more novels about bears in cages? >> more novels. not a political thriller about a president who lies his way to war.
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i mean, believe it or not, i've never been in rehab. but from what i understand, they -- they advise you to take small steps. going on fox news with monica crowley was really quite a small step for scooter libby. how far it goes from there? he's sitting in think tanks getting paid by conservative funders for the last few years. i don't see a big role for him ahead. >> but the small step -- he was begged by monica crowley, phd. to go after the current president and he didn't. was that a small step? >> that was kind of interesting. he didn't come out like a dick cheney or a liz cheney and talk about that. so maybe that's part of his rehab. you know, small steps, scooter, small steps. you can go after the president, maybe by the time you get to hannity. >> david korn of mother jones, pleasure to see you in the flesh, sir. >> good to be here. >> that's september 8, the 2,687 since president bush declared mission accomplished in